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Re: Anyone Deployed Ascend's GRF IP Switch?
At 09:50 PM 8/25/97 -0700, joseph j. kim wrote: > >On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Justin W. Newton wrote: > >> At 08:35 PM 8/25/97 +0000, Nathan Stratton wrote: >> > >> >On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Lane Patterson wrote: >> > >> >> Talk to Nathan Stratton at Netrail. He's our collective test case :-) >> >> >> >> Aren't you looking at Cisco's BFR too? >> > >> >We have been trying to get a BFR (now GSR) in, but I think Cisco does not >> >want a GSR next to a GRF or something. :-) >> > Since I began the thread with my request for REAL-LIFE evaluations of those who had installed the GRF versus the (AVAILABLE) Cisco 7500-series routers, I've received over 100 replies -- some copied to the list, others not. The replies present an interesting dichotomy -- some replies are obviously generated from pure brand-bigotism, others actually allowed logic and sensible TECHNICAL evaluations speak for them. What I asked for were ENGINEERING data -- not marketing diatribe. Some of the people on this list need to seriously re-evaluate their job descriptions and realize that evangelism is one thing -- serious technical evaluations are quite another. >i don't understand all of the mail comparing the two, there is really no >comparison. the GSR blows the GRF away. there is an order of magnitude >difference in the aggregate b/w supported between the two correct? 4Mb/s >vs 40Mb/s. Also, not that I know anything about the GRF but I think Cisco >claims that 7500 real-world performance is much better than the GRF400. So, I am to assume that you have (or have had) both a GRF and a GSR in your lab for evaluation? Aggregate bandwidth means squat in the real world if you can't forward/switch packets efficiently in a loaded network. When my GRF gets here, we'll be switching out one of our 7500's (for eval., of course!) and putting it to real-world tests (full BGP, HSSI and Fast Ethernet.) What worries me is that your statements above seemto blindly contradict one another: First you state "... the GSR blows the GRF away" and then you go on to say "Also, not that I know anything about the GRF," and "...maybe someone can post some performance numbers." Anyone (including myself) can read a piece of marketing fluff and make an uninformed decision, but I think that it makes more sense for everyone involved if we try to provide one another with information that goes beyond what one may find in a Tolly Group report. In the REAL world, there's quite a difference between a device that "works" and one that "works well." Cisco and Ascend both make great products. Each company has its strengths and weaknesses. What we need to do is /dev/null the "Chevy vs. Ford" sandbox drivel and provide one another with useful information. I don't mean this in a harsh manner -- I just want to point out that there was not much meat with your potatoes. CHris ,,, (o-o) ------.oOO--(_)--OOo.--------------------------------- Christofer L. Hoff \ No true genius is Chief Nerd, \ possible without a NodeWarrior Networks, Inc \ little intelligent \ madness! [email protected] \ http://www.nodewarrior.net \ -Peter Uberoth "Nuthin' but Net!" \ ------------------------------------------------------ 310.568.1700 vox - 310.568.4766 fax