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Re: Nameserver madness

  • From: Karl Denninger
  • Date: Tue Jul 22 18:55:52 1997
  • Newsgroups: mcs.general

Ok folks, this has gone way too far.

First and foremost, let me clear a few points up.

1)	I never supported Eugene's antics or his piracy (nor cache
	poisoning) which he engaged in.

2)	We updated our BIND versions on ALL our nameservers, including the
	two listed below, within a few hours of his games beginning, so that
	we would NOT distribute or load bad data.

3)	We *DO* run a completely separate faction of enhanced DNS, known as
	eDNS.  This has NOTHING to do with Mr. Kaspuereff or his antics.  

4)	Our nameservers were not "polluted", nor will they be in the future.
	We are running BIND 8.1.1 which prevents this from happening.

5)	We do not, never did, and won't support the kinds of games which
	Eugene pulled.  I disagree *vehemently* with the IAHC and iPOC, and
	believe their process is both improper and possibly illegal.
	Nonetheless, that you believe someone is breaking the law and
	all boundaries of ethics does *NOT* entitle you to go and do the
	same in "retaliation".  Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

6)	Your blocking of the IP addresses is *NOT* effective.  Eugene's
	stunt was not quite as simple as you might think; he was
	deliberately hitting nameservers with recursive requests to force
	them to load his data.  You would have to isolate yourself ENTIRELY
	to be completely free of the problem through your method.  The
	PROPER fix is to load the newer BIND code which doesn't suffer from
	the weakness which was being exploited.

MCSNet will take immediate and strong retaliatory action against *ANY*
ISP which blockades our network in this fashion.  It is one thing to
block packets from our network for something which we have in fact done.
It is quite another to do so based on "guilt by association" and flat-out
untruths.

It is my hope that you will reconsider this insanity, and drop the filters
in 192.160.127.x.  We are *NOT* your enemies, but we can become them if you
insist on it.

A prompt response is appreciated and expected.

Sincerely,

--
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>Following is the text of a message on the NANOG list , from Ray Davis
>[[email protected]]
>
>Why not just block all his garbage NSes and the fantasy NSes he's pointing
>to?  A quick scan of 'dig 
>@nyc.alternic.net . axfr' reveals the entries I've enclosed at the bottom. 
>The unique IPs in this list are below and we've blocked them all at our
>border so none of out NSes can get polluted by them.  Why not do the same?
>Cheers,
>Ray
>===== Unique set of IPs from the alternic fantasy tld list ====
>151.189.0.25
>192.160.127.125
>192.160.127.90
>193.0.0.193
>194.106.36.1
>194.72.236.3
>194.97.200.20
>198.199.168.92
>198.80.71.68
>198.80.71.70
>199.166.24.1
>199.181.164.1
>199.181.164.2
>202.185.231.4
>202.185.254.12
>204.182.105.150
>204.199.0.2
>204.199.0.3
>204.80.125.130
>204.80.125.145
>204.94.42.1
>204.94.42.2
>204.94.42.5
>204.94.43.1
>205.184.14.8
>205.206.189.3
>205.215.60.5
>205.215.60.6
>206.117.26.219
>206.117.26.220
>206.25.132.30
>206.71.77.2
>206.71.77.4
>207.107.232.3
>207.174.25.15
>207.180.91.9
>207.32.128.1
>207.32.128.131
>207.51.48.15
>207.51.48.5
>207.51.48.8
>208.1.127.6
>208.133.32.70
>208.139.0.16
>208.139.0.26
>208.195.108.10
>208.195.108.9
>====
>
>===== Output from 'dig @nyc.alternic.net . axfr' with valid TLDs edited out
>==
>	86400	SOA	MX.ALTERNIC.NET. ROOT.MX.ALTERNIC.NET. (
>			1997072123	; serial
>			10800	; refresh (3 hours)
>			900	; retry (15 mins)
>			604800	; expire (7 days)
>			86400 )	; minimum (1 day)
>	518400	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>	518400	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
>IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>	518400	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>	518400	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>A.	172000	NS	NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
>I.	172000	NS	NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM.
>NS3.TRIVALLEY.COM                       206.25.132.30
>DIR.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>DIR.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>INC.	172000	NS	NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
>NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.5
>INC.	172000	NS	NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
>NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.8
>PORNO.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>PORNO.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>PORNO.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>PORNO.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>PORNO.	518000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
>IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>PORNO.	518000	NS	NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
>NS1.BELFAIR.NET.	86400	A	204.94.43.1
>PORNO.	518000	NS	CLUBLOVE.XXX.
>CLUBLOVE.XXX.	386400	A	208.139.0.16
>PORNO.	518000	NS	PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.
>PENTHOUSELIVE.XXX.	186400	A	208.139.0.26
>USVI.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
>NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
>USVI.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
>NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
>TLD.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>TLD.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>TLD.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>FILM.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>FILM.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>DOT.	172000	NS	LONEPEAK.VII.COM.
>LONEPEAK.VII.COM.	172000	A	206.71.77.2
>DOT.	172000	NS	OLYMPUS.VII.COM.
>OLYMPUS.VII.COM.	172000	A	206.71.77.4
>GMBH.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
>ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
>GMBH.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
>ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
>NUM.	172000	NS	NS1.NUM.NET.
>NS1.NUM.NET.	172000	A	205.215.60.5
>NUM.	172000	NS	NS2.NUM.NET.
>NS2.NUM.NET.	172000	A	205.215.60.6
>888.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>XXX.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>XXX.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>XXX.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>XXX.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>FAM.	172000	NS	RS1.LANMINDS.COM.
>RS1.LANMINDS.COM.	172000	A	208.1.127.6
>FAM.	172000	NS	RS2.LANMINDS.NET.
>RS2.LANMINDS.NET.	172000	A	207.174.25.15
>PER.	604800	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>PER.	604800	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
>IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>PER.	604800	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>FAQ.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>GLOBE.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
>GLOBE.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
>GAMES.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
>GAMES.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
>MALL.	172000	NS	NS.UNETY.NET.
>NS.UNETY.NET.	172000	A	207.32.128.1
>MALL.	172000	NS	NS.UNETY.COM.
>NS.UNETY.COM.	172000	A	207.32.128.131
>RADIO.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>RADIO.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>TRAVEL.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>TRAVEL.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>TRAVEL.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>JPN.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>JPN.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>JPN.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>ZOO.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>ENT.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>ENT.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>ENT.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ASIA.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
>ASIA.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
>NS.RIPE.NET.	172800	A	193.0.0.193
>LAW.	172000	NS	NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.
>NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.5
>LAW.	172000	NS	NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.
>NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET.	172000	A	207.51.48.8
>VID.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>VID.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>VID.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>GAY.	172000	NS	ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
>ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.	172000	A	198.80.71.70
>GAY.	172000	NS	SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.
>SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG.	172000	A	198.80.71.68
>GAY.	172000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>GAY.	172000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>HELP.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>HELP.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>FUND.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>FUND.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>URL.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>URL.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>URL.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>HIGGS.	172000	NS	NS1.HIGGS.NET.
>NS1.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.130
>HIGGS.	172000	NS	NS2.HIGGS.NET.
>NS2.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.145
>ARTS.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>ARTS.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>LIVE.	518000	NS	iperdome.per.
>iperdome.per.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>LIVE.	518000	NS	ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
>ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>GEO.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>GEO.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>GEO.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>EUR.	172000	NS	NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.
>NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172000	A	194.106.36.1
>NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172000	A	194.72.236.3
>EUR.	172000	NS	NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET.
>NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET.	172800	A	194.72.236.3
>GER.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
>ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
>GER.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
>ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
>KSA.	172000	NS	NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.
>NS1.ALASKAONE.COM.	172000	A	205.184.14.8
>KSA.	172000	NS	NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.
>NS2.ALASKAONE.COM.	172000	A	205.184.14.8
>EXP.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>EXP.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>EXP.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>EXP.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>LLB.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>KIDS.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
>KIDS.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
>HAM.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>HAM.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>KTI.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>KTI.	172000	NS	NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>KTI.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
>BANK.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>BANK.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>MED.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>MED.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>MED.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>MED.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>PORN.	172000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>PORN.	172000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>PORN.	172000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>PORN.	172000	NS	NS1.BELFAIR.NET.
>NS1.BELFAIR.NET.	86400	A	204.94.43.1
>PORN.	172000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
>IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>PORN.	172000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>FREE.	172000	NS	NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.
>NS.ALPHAQUE.COM.	172000	A	202.185.254.12
>FREE.	172000	NS	NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.
>NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM.	172000	A	202.185.231.4
>BIZ.	172000	NS	CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
>CEREBUS.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.125
>BIZ.	172000	NS	KITTEN.MCS.COM.
>KITTEN.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.90
>ART.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>ART.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>LNX.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>LNX.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>LNX.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>LNX.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>ZONE.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
>NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
>ZONE.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
>NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
>SEA.	172000	NS	DNS1.SEANET.COM.
>DNS1.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.1
>SEA.	172000	NS	DNS2.SEANET.COM.
>DNS2.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.2
>LTD.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>LTD.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>LTD.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>LTD.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>NETZ.	86400	NS	ns.germany.net.
>ns.germany.net.	172000	A	151.189.0.25
>NETZ.	86400	NS	ns.seicom.net.
>ns.seicom.net.	172000	A	194.97.200.20
>TOUR.	172000	NS	NS1.USVI.NET.
>NS1.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.2
>TOUR.	172000	NS	NS2.USVI.NET.
>NS2.USVI.NET.	172000	A	204.199.0.3
>CHIRO.	518000	NS	iperdome.per.
>iperdome.per.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>CHIRO.	518000	NS	ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.
>ns1.starfire.douglas.ma.us.	15228	A	207.180.91.9
>SEX.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>SEX.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>SEX.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET.
>CITY.	172000	NS	DNS1.SEANET.COM.
>DNS1.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.1
>CITY.	172000	NS	DNS2.SEANET.COM.
>DNS2.SEANET.COM.	172000	A	199.181.164.2
>NEWS.	172000	NS	NS1.HIGGS.NET.
>NS1.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.130
>NEWS.	172000	NS	NS2.HIGGS.NET.
>NS2.HIGGS.NET.	172000	A	204.80.125.145
>NIC.	518000	NS	MX.ALTERNIC.NET.
>MX.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>NIC.	518000	NS	NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.
>NYC.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	207.51.48.15
>NIC.	518000	NS	ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.
>ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET.	86400	A	204.94.42.2
>NIC.	518000	NS	EEK.HTTPD.COM.
>EEK.HTTPD.COM.	86400	A	204.182.105.150
>NIC.	518000	NS	ALTER.NIC.
>ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.5
>ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>NIC.	518000	NS	ALTERNIC.NIC.
>ALTERNIC.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.ALTER.NIC.
>WWW.ALTER.NIC.	86400	A	204.94.42.1
>NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.
>WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.	186400	A	204.94.42.1
>WWW.ALTERNIC.NET.	186400	A	207.51.48.15
>NIC.	518000	NS	IPERDOME.PER.
>IPERDOME.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>NIC.	518000	NS	WWW.PER.
>WWW.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>NIC.	518000	NS	MAIL.PER.
>MAIL.PER.	604800	A	208.133.32.70
>CORP.	172000	NS	CEREBUS.MCS.COM.
>CEREBUS.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.125
>CORP.	172000	NS	KITTEN.MCS.COM.
>KITTEN.MCS.COM.	172000	A	192.160.127.90
>GALLERY.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>DDS.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>SKY.	172000	NS	FASTLANE.CA.
>FASTLANE.CA.	172000	A	205.206.189.3
>SKY.	172000	NS	SKYSCAPE.NET.
>SKYSCAPE.NET.	172000	A	207.107.232.3
>PRICES.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>EMAIL.	172000	NS	NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.220
>EMAIL.	172000	NS	NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.
>NS2.WORLDSHOPNET.COM.	172000	A	206.117.26.219
>800.	172000	NS	NS1.VRX.NET.
>NS1.VRX.NET.	172000	A	199.166.24.1
>VIDEO.	172000	NS	DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	198.199.168.92
>VIDEO.	172000	NS	NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.9
>NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US.	172000	A	208.195.108.10
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>==
>root
>
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>
>Karl Denninger <[email protected]> wrote in article
><[email protected]>...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> David Schutt <[email protected]m> wrote:
>> >What in the world is going on with the nameservers? People are blocking
>> >addresses that are or were associated with Alternic, and that includes
>> >Cerebus and Kitten. Is this going to cause us MCS users problems?
>> >-- 
>> >[email protected]
>> >
>> >To reply, remove 'DELETETHIS'  from e-mail address
>> 
>> Who's blocking cerebus and kitten?
>> 
>> I've seen no evidence of this.  We had nothing to do with the Alternic on
>> those machines, and Eugene's root has been off for months.
>> 
>> --
>> -- 
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