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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Shutdown of lists on May 30th at 12:01 AM
On Thu, May 29, 1997 at 10:44:28AM -0400, Philip J. Nesser II wrote: > Vince Wolodkin supposedly said: > > > > Paul A Vixie wrote: > > > > > > > P.S. Keep in mind that a Root Name Server Confederation is > > > > a collection of Root Name Servers. The new ISI/NSI confederation > > > > that is being built just moved one of its nameservers to the > > > > control of RIPE and it is located in London, England. > > > > > > fiction. > > > > > > there are some root name servers. > > > > > > then there are some pirates who are trying to coin the "confederation" term. > > > > Mr Vixie, > > > > I realize your exasperation with certain elements that have arisen in > > this "new age" of the internet. Many of them ARE in it for the money. > > Of course, you realize, that this was bound to happen. Any successful > > non-profit venture will ultimately have people trying to make money off > > of it. It's not illegal, though piracy is. > > > > While you disagree with the "confederation" ideas that Mr. Fleming > > espouses, calling he and others pirates is rather ridiculous. If you > > were involved in an IETF proceeding and someone presented an alternate > > idea, would you call them pirates? > > > > Paul can certainly speak for himself, but I think the issue that most > people (myself included) have is that these people refuse to work within > the IETF process. If they want to change things and follow the procedure > that everyone else has used for years then great, let them try and convince > people of the validity of their ideas. > > If, on the other hand, they refuse to work within the well established > system and go off into a corner and make grand declarations and try and > fracture the "rough consensus" model that has kept the net operating for > years, then they are indeed pirates. I would like to point out that going > through the IETF process does not mean your ideas will be accepted. More > ideas and plans are rejected than are accepted. The IAHC was not done within the IETF process. There is no RFC which was promoted to either a BCP or Internet Standard defining their work. That was ENTIRELY a private decision and done outside of the IETF process. Those who live in glass houses.... > ---> Phil -- -- Karl Denninger ([email protected])| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, http://www.mcs.net/ Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| NOW Serving 56kbps DIGITAL on our analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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