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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: [NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors?
When a sysop from world.std.com gets his network peed on by a spammer this list was full of a bunch of people who did not even think the discussion belonged here. But when we are talking about politics, the folk want to discuss it as if they are going to do something about censorship in China. Why not just say that PRC will do whatever it does, whatever NANOG discusses and that NANOG will never get in the way. Is the China issue more attractive -- or maybe just further away? If you will not do anything about the issue, why not have this discussion leave the list as well then? Cheers! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 -0800, [email protected] writes: > > > >Ronald Barron Yokubaitis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm...........Do the same considerations apply to > >>BUYING from the PRC? > > > >Please. The original speech was not about trade with PRC which > >is unquestionably good and desireable; but about cooperation > >with an organization whose _proclaimed_ goal is to build a > >politically censored version of Internet, and make uncensored > >networks completely illegal in PRC. > > You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that trade > with the PRC is "unquestionably good and desireable". But on the other > hand you condemn Bay Networks for selling products and technical > services to the PRC (as you should know, "partner" is marketing-puke > speak for "they are giving us LOTS of money, so let's make them feel > special"). > > If selling products and support to organizations that construct > censored networks shouldn't we condemn BOTH Bay Networks and Cisco for > selling to U.S. corporations that use firewalls and other methods to > control/monitor employee's access to the Internet? > > > [A copy of the headers and the PGP signature follow.] > > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:59:03 -0600 > From: "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <[email protected]> > In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:08:39 PST." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NANOG] Bay Networks in bed with commie censors? > To: [email protected] > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > Comment: AnySign 1.4 - A Python tool for PGP signing e-mail and news. > > iQCVAwUBMuGqHJwkOQz8sbZFAQHzCQQAgULCorxU0+G0zhKLPfIHBDu6ZBEusx72 > ZRev3RkhLT2nRqCc6fz7HV/LYP5BTFVzxgdL4LcoQl5A0Vr8mL3+4V6PLrggU0ni > sjo4It7p2lNDq2voTlCp4t+zH8i615PVVfvV+Gdgcq4LHg8hvKYoNhET8H8sPwjO > INia7ZIzkSk= > =OLJa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Jeffrey C. Ollie | Should Work Now (TM) > Python Hacker, Mac Lover | > -- Craig Nordin -- [email protected] Virtual Networks http://www.vni.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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