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Hello, Please take personal tirades and your vulgarities, originated or not, to private email. Thanks, Alan > > At 03:25 PM 10/24/96 -0400, JDF wrote: > > > > Interesting speech from Peter Kline at NANOG today...it seems that > >AGIS's peering requirements are now so strict that AGIS today would not > >peer with AGIS of only a few months ago. > > Nope. AGIS has been at the specified exchange points for well over a year, > long before the trickle of peering requests turned into an ugly, swirling, > threat-filled flood. > > > Then there's Peter's comment to Ron Burleson, Cheif Operating > >Officer of CAIS Internet (some of you know that CAIS had a very good > >relationship with Net99, which continued for a while under AGIS.) "Ron, > >we're going to squish you like a bug." > > 1. The author of this mail was not present at the conversation, which took > place when this guy Burleson, who I've never heard of, cornered me in the > empty lunch room outside of the NANOG meeting room. > > 2. This mail makes it obvious that Burleson deliberately set out to make me > say something which could be reported out of context in an attempt to make > AGIS look bad. It also explains why he made sure the room was empty. > > 3. The comment misquoted above is also horribly out of context. Let's > review the actual conversation: > > RB: Do you know who I am? > > ME: No. Should I? Have we met before? > > RB: I'm Ron Burleson, self important president of CGX Telecom [who?], which > owns CAIS [oh. I thought Cable and Wireless bought an interest in CAIS, but > I guess I was wrong.]. > > ME: OK. > > RB: You didn't [blah blah blah tirade tuned out about CAIS and AGIS]. > > ME: OK. > > RB: Why don't you return my phone calls or answer my mail? > > ME: For some time now I have received much more mail and many more phone > calls than I can personally answer. > > RB: I'm going to fuck the AGIS network any way I can. > > ME: So, you're going to fuck the AGIS network... > > > Here I paused to consider my responses, which could have included: > > - Thank you. > - Thank you very much. > - Fuck you. > - Fuck you very much. > - I'd fuck your network back, but I don't want to catch whatever's given you > those running sores. > - Fuck your network and the horse it rode in on. > - about a million other vulgar things I could think of. > > but instead, I said: > > "Then I'll squash you like a bug," which seemed to me to be a > proportionate, non-vulgar, measured, I'm-the-bigger-person response to a > pretty off-the-graph, vulgar, and irresponsible tirade. > > > Peter is doing wonders for inter-provider relations. What do > >y'all say that the rest of us follow the older, more friendly model, > >instead of trying to kill each other? > > I didn't start it, and I'm not the one who made the threat. It is big Ron > who apparently wants to kill me/AGIS. And I just don't stand around and > take crap from people. > > > Sure, a lot of us are in competition. From today's speech, it > >seems that AGIS is is more competition than the rest of us. > > Competition is either good or bad, pick one. Based on the grip CAIS has on > the DC market, I'd guess CAIS was founded based on the idea that competition > is good. My relationship with Bob Gibson has always been cordial. > > > But personally, if I were a small or mid-size provider, I'd rather > >buy service from somebody that I've seen to be in /friendly/ competition > >with their peers -- that way, once I got big enough to strike out on my > >own, I could stay friendly with my old provider on a peer instead of a > >customer level. This was the intention with the Net99 deal, back when > >Net99 was known as "the backbone that doesn't suck." > > It sucked pretty bad in the end. Joe didn't give Dave any of the tools > needed to run a decent network, and I think Dave did an amazing job with > what he had. > > > Back to the point -- like it or not, we all rely on each other and > >each others' networks to make the Internet happen. > > We can follow the AGIS model and cut each others' throats until we > >really are just a bunch of autonomous systems with the occasional path > >between, or we can interconnect -- network, to use a more laoded term. > > AGIS has cordial relationships with other majors like ANS, NETCOM, Sprint, > MCI, and uu.net, as well as many others. > > > I think we should be a network. > > > > (Please note that while I am speaking only for myself, CAIS's > >business plan is more on the friendly side.) > > Then get an email account at AOL. I consider you to be speaking for CAIS. > > > There's a very serious issue here for CAIS, which is that a man purporting > to be its president/owner/whatever acted quite irresponsibly. The way to > get even with AGIS, if that's what he needs to do, is to build a bigger > better network and win over our customers, not 'fuck' the AGIS network, with > all the consequences that suggested action implies for our customers. > > In light of Ron's comment to me, I think it would be in the best interest of > AGIS's customers to email or call Mr. Ron Burleson of CAIS/CGX (email > address conveniently cc'd above by JDF) and ask him how he intends to fuck > AGIS (by SYN flooding or other denial of service attack, physically damaging > colocates, or what). When he doesn't respond, bury his office with calls > and mail, or even better, track him down at IETF or the next NANOG, get him > into a corner, and demand to know why he didn't return your calls and mail. > > Peter > > -- Alan Hannan Not Employed Networking, Ltd. email: [email protected] phone: 402/488-0238 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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