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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Mitch Halmu wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Brad wrote: > > > However, the problem here is not-so easy to > > take care of on the provider(s) end. I tend to see this > > problem more-like open-relay issues. A open-relay SMTP > > server is just-as much a pain in the rear as a compromised > > windoze box (if not more) and we have several ways to combat > > open-relay issues currently through various testing and > > filtering systems. > > No kidding? Your somewhat twisted "re-education" approach finds > it perfectly normal to liken an illegal hacker activity (DDoS) > with a perfectly legitimate business operation of an ISP, for > the "crime" of simply having an open relay SMTP server. > > Well, I happen to think that communications blackholing enterprises > such as the one run by former Abovenet boss Dave Rand and Metromedia > employee Paul Vixie are to be likened to denial of service attacks. > > There should be no question that the guilty party is the actual > hacker or spammer. If the legal system doesn't provide ISPs adequate > protection under current laws, then new ad-hoc laws should address > the problem. > > --Mitch > NetSide Mitch- My post is not intended to get in a war about open-realy issues, but to rather put it in perspective from how *I* view the problem. I certainly think that a compromised or insecure machine should be addressed and the legal issues of hosting such a machine due to clear negligence of a problem which can (and does) cost other people a *lot* of money in damages or 3rd-party fees is a concern that any legitimate business-owner should be aware of. Furthermore- I am attempting to find a way to stop DDoS attacks without legal action (though- it should be taken also) and this seems to be the best way (so far). I am open to suggestions you may have to reduce/stop DDoS attacks as they happen. --- Brad Baker Director: Network Operations American ISP [email protected] +1 303 984 5700 x12 http://www.americanisp.net/
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