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On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Gary Zimmerman wrote: > > > Sean did not know that Peering is what makes you a National Backbone > Provider. It doesn't, but having a national backbone that your customers can use sure does. Peering, in my opinion, only make that network better. > It may make you what has been coined as a tier 1 provider, but I > do not see that this can scale as more companies access the net. If you > remember at the Nanog meeting, Randy address this model of 2 to 5 > peers/transits if I remember the discuss and that is what we are doing at > SAVVIS. Fortunately Our target markets are not just libraries and other > information providers, it's EVERYONE that needs a T1 and above connection > to the Internet. How many cities are you in Sean, where are DRA's POPs for > customers to access? Sean can obviously speak for himself, but I beleive they are in 27 countries and several cities in the US. I have spoken with many of the fine folks at DRA and have seen first hand how their network functions and am quite impressed. > How much bandwidth does DRA have to get these > customer to other network? Let's compare bandwidth shall we. > Let's not, let's compare how well that bandwidth is managed. I can hear DRA routes through all my various connections in all the cities I'm located, through all the various peering and/or transit connections. Now, Savvis on the other hand selectivly announces their routes to their various NSP's, and those are not equal announcments as I travel one backbone to get to customer A, and yet a totally different backbone to get to customer B, and even so far as to goto a different city to get to customer C of yours. So if I cannot get to customer C in St Louis unless I travel UUnet to Chicago to get into your network, makes me think you DO NOT have a national backbone, but rather are no more than a reseller of transit such as myself. Actually, not as myself because my customers can travel my backbone between cities without heading out to a transit provider when staying within my customer connections on my network. And I garantee the same can be said for any true national backbone provider. > When 80 to 90 percent of the Internet traffic is to MCI, SPRINT and UUNET > then our model is the right way to build this, not to try and see how many > peering agreements one can get. > > You are right about our model, IT WORKS. > On good days I imagine it might, but I've seen so many problems with your routing it scares me. ============================================================== Tim Flavin Internet Access for St Louis & Chicago Internet 1st, Inc Toll Free Sales & Support 800-875-3173 http://www.i1.net For more information email [email protected] ============================================================== > Gary Zimmerman > V.P. of Network Engineering > Savvis Communications Corp. > email: [email protected] > http://www.savvis.com > Office: 314.719.2423 > Address: 7777 Bonhomme Suite 1000 > St. Louis, MO 63105 > > > ---------- > > From: Sean Donelan <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Internet Backbone Index > > Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 3:55 PM > > > > >I would really like to know how Boardwatch can continually say Savvis is > a > > >national backbone provider when they peer with nobody, and that is part > of > > >their business plan, and only buy transit from the big 5. Then they > > >neglect to list DRA as a backbone provider, when DRA appears at many > major > > >exchanges and peers with damn near everyone under the sun from what I > can > > > > Publisher's perogative. > > > > I'm always amused when the latest edition of the Boardwatch ISP directory > > comes out. Fortunately, DRA's target markets are libraries and other > > information providers, not ISPs, although we have a few ISPs as > customers. > > Even though DRA tried to provide accurate information to Boardwatch, it > > always seems to get mangled in the Boardwatch editorial process. For > > example, in the latest issue DRA's listing says we have a 0.099 Mbps > > connection with Sprint. I don't know how to even order a 0.099 Mbps > > connection. In a previous issue Boardwatch said DRA sold dialup > connections > > for $19.95/month, even though we had told Boardwatch DRA didn't offer > > any dialup services. At least Boardwatch no longer lists Sean Doran as > > the chief engineer for InternetMCI. > > > > After awhile one gets tired of trying to correct other people's mistakes > > over and over again. Maybe I should start following the InternetMCI > model, > > and claim everything is a big secret. > > -- > > Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO > > Affiliation given for identification not representation >
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